MINIMUM FIVE YEARS???
SHOULD BE FIVE LIFE SENTENCES!!! and the mother??? How the hell does she only get SIX months??? SIX MONTHS??? SHOULD BE SIX LIFE SENTENCES!!!
From Steve Mays, the Oregonian…
A 23-year-old Oregon City man faces a minimum of five years and 10 months in prison for scalding, burning and beating a 3-year-old boy.
Clackamas County Circuit Judge Ronald D. Thom found Derek John Piskorski guilty Friday of second-degree assault, reckless endangerment and criminal mistreatment. Piskorski will be sentenced May 13.
The boy’s mother, Katey Lynn Scheurman, pleaded guilty in March to two counts of criminal mistreatment for allowing Piskorski to abuse her son, Noah. She is serving a six-month sentence in the Clackamas County Jail.
the rest of the story at OREGON LIVE
YOUR FBI $$$’s HARD AT WORK???
WOW! Is this an example of our Federal dollars at work? Not sure who SNAPPLE is but since he came to my house uninvited supporting Special Agent Joseph Trimbach. As a courtesy I put up a video that he thinks is relevant to the John Graham/Richard Marshall debacle trial. I think the trial is tearing apart Indian country but mostly the mainstream media does not report on it…another example of how the United States continues their ongoing history of racist beliefs and actions against the indigenous people population of this beautiful land.
Although I posted the video late last night with his name in caps he cannot seem to find it even though I also linked the post to his own blog LEGEND OF PINE RIDGE. Snapple is upset not only because he thinks I did not put up Two Elks video but because he mistakenly wrote on a previous post “the FBI is against Indians” He corrected himself but apparently he has no sense of humor. SNAPPLE claims I was making fun at his expense and that he is “older”…not sure what that means…at any rate he is an “older” person who quickly resorts to insults and tantrums when he thinks he has not gotten his way. On top of that I specifically told him that I would post it sometime…I was going to wait until the weekend but stayed up last night..
Mr. Snapple you need to read RULES FOR COMMENTING ON MY BLOG.
Here is one of several comments he left on my blog…I am responding in parenthesis
You are obviously a stupid little idiot who is not able to argue honestly if you choose to make something of an older person’s typing error. And lazy and dishonest not to post TWo Elk’s recent video.
I have given you the youtube link a few times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbkm1lMI0DU
Monica and Anna Mae both were both reportedly in a relationship to Dennis Banks, although he was married to Ka-Mook.(Noo….Monica Charles says she was not in a relationship with Dennis Banks and what is your source to such a claim? Do you just throw that stuff out there hoping a sex scandal will spice things up? You sound like the NATIONAL ENQUIRER!)
Monica’s brother (where do you get your information??? Do you think everybody with the last name of Charles is Monicas brother???) Norman was allegedly with Peltier when the FBI agents were shot.
Monica is pretty much at ground zero and spends a lot of time discrediting Indians such as Richard Two Elk and Ka-Mook, who have told the authorities what they witnessed so that there would be evidence to take to court.(Didn’t Ka-Mook get paid 49,000 for her testimony? She basically testified heresay and seven months later married one of the governments lead investigators in the Anna Mae Aquash case. From what I understand Richard Two Elk’s testimony is so bad and he has put out so many conflicting stories that he is not taken too seriously on the stand….or by PBS.)
Here is something Two Elk said about what Dennis Banks ordered boys to do during the occupation:
“I was there, at Wounded Knee. At the age of 19, I backpacked weapons and supplies into the village with my AIM brothers. I remember it was near Easter, because that’s when our leader, Dennis Banks, ordered us to ‘take care’ of a young white guy, suspected of being an informant. We knew what that meant. We strung him up on a cross in a mock crucifixion, and beat him. After we took him down, they led him away and I don’t think he was ever heard from again.”(Richard Two Elk has apparently written several different versions of this incident…If this is true why have the FBI not prosecuted him for murder???)
http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/ReleaseDetails.aspx?ID=26541
Agnes Gildersleeve testified that Indian people were held in a church and threatened with guns. AIM took over a disabled man’s trailer and other people’s homes.
Agnes recounts:
“[AIM] took complete control of the telephone service and local residents were not permitted to answer any of the phones. When my phone would ring, an armed guard would immediately answer the phone and direct the call over to [disabled Wilber Reigert's stolen] trailer house where Banks, Means, and Bellecourt were located…” (Trimbach p. 88) (The Gildersleeves were well known for taking advantage of Native Americans at their trading post…selling objects offensive to Native Americans. Here is Steve Hendricks talking about the Gildersleeves:
Tim Giago writes that I unfairly impugned the honor of the late Clive and Agnes Gildersleeve. The Gildersleeves owned the trading post at Wounded Knee, which was looted by militants who had seized the village to protest oppression on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and beyond. Sloppily lumping my book The Unquiet Grave with Peter Matthiessen’s In The Spirit of Crazy Horse, Giago writes, “In [the two books], you will read about a ‘white man’ and a woman often referred to as a ‘white woman,’ although Agnes Gildersleeve was an Ojibwa woman, who ‘ripped off’ the local Lakota people. This apparently justifies the attacks upon them and the destruction of their business.”
I did not write that Ms. Gildersleeve was white, did not use the words “ripped off” (though they are not far from the truth), and did not excuse the attack on them or their business. I did explain why many Indians hated the business:
“Its owners, the Gildersleeve and Czywczynski families, had strewn billboards for seventy-five miles that announced, SEE THE WOUNDED KNEE MASSACRE SITE, VISIT THE MASS GRAVE. POSTCARDS, CURIOS, DON’T MISS IT! The postcards showed slaughtered Indians, including Chief Big Foot, frozen in the 1890 snow. The traders enlivened their commerce with beadwork, quilts, and other curios bought low from Oglalas and sold high. A Catholic priest once watched Mrs. Czywczynski barter a beader to a stingy $3.50 for an exquisite work, then turn around and sell it for $12.00. The traders doubled as creditors, lending their Indian patrons $10 at humble interest of $2.25 a week. As village postmasters, they also offered a rudimentary auto-payment–opening the mail of customers who had run tabs, cashing their checks without asking, paying their bills at the post, and calling other shopkeepers across the reservation to see if debts were owed them too. There had been calls to boycott the post, but none had worked. The post was the only store for a dozen miles, and the many carless Oglalas of Wounded Knee had no choice but to buy groceries and other wares at its inflated prices. Years later Clive Gildersleeve was called to testify about his business practices, and he invoked his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself ninety-nine times.”
Giago goes on to paint me as an apologist for the American Indian Movement, which led the Indian rights struggle of the 1970s. This is rank distortion. Mine was the first book to describe AIM’s secret killing inside Wounded Knee of an activist named Ray Robinson, and the book’s centerpiece was AIM’s infamous execution of Anna Mae Aquash two years later. As Giago well knows, I condemned AIM sharply for these and lesser brutalities, and more than one AIM leader has threatened me for my pains. What riles Giago is that I also praised AIM (the overwhelming majority of whose members were peaceful) for fighting oppression, and I denuded the oppressors, from small-timers like the Gildersleeves to big-timers like the FBI, the latter of which persistently goaded AIM to just the sort of violence it committed. In Indian Country, the haves like Giago have long fought to keep the have-nots in their place. It is one reason the have-nots are still so multitudinous.
RICHARD TWO ELK FOR SNAPPLE
I have posted on this before. I thought maybe it was something new…Richard Two Elk the man who wrote the forward to AMERICAN INDIAN MAFIA also makes videos. This is being put up again for SNAPPLE who runs the THE LEGEND OF PINE RIDGE blog. After watching it again I still have the same opinion….after the video…
I have several problems with this video…Richard Two Elks supposedly owns and produces videos yet he doesn’t know not to wear a hat on camera…indoors either as far as I am concerned. I was raised that it is disrespectful. Another thing that bothers me is that Richard Two Elks never speaks confidently into the camera…he hides his face and is always looking down at a prepared statement he also mumbles and slurs. It was a bizarre video the first time I watched it and still is. Richard Two Elks was at Wounded Knee II he knows who everyone is and the history….I still get names confused…but I can tell you what I know and believe….looking you in the eye confident that I am true to my feelings and in my beliefs based on what I know…But as I said this might be a difference between whites and Indians?? I am not trying to be mean but the video lacks passion and conviction for the subject never mind that I do not agree with all that is in the video….
Because I have read many other things by Richard Two Elk….I have a hard time believing that these are his words…this is how Richard Two Elks usually writes in some weird voice. This is a comment to me for posting the SNAPPLE post on alt.native
so…why da hill ya postin it hear?…
not nuff room onyer Clog, i meanz…blog…?
please refrain from redundant posting of content which may be read
elsewhere, in it’s entirety, IF anyone should want…DUH!
and this
da mistake ya repeatedly recycle IS…ya seem to bleev we all wanna
play yer stoopid pre-adolescent games witya…
AxeUWally…we find sum sick entertainment in watchin you flop
roundabout…pass dat Popcorn puleez…
and this from another post
if’n ya kickout 9 or 10 o yer C&Pz dat outta move yer last act o
IDIOCY off da Front Page anywhoz…den ya kin maka neu face til Sizzle catch up witya N Cookya agin…
Dang…me Know ya Gotta B havin Bic Phun messin witus, eh?
Like I said it may be a difference between whites and Indians…but Monica Charles doesn’t speak like that…its weird like he has to create another personality for???
I could be wrong but I was raised in a very conservative home and while I am quite liberal in my political views…I mostly carry quite conservative values and this man really bothers me…
One of the other things that bothers me about Richard Two Elks is that he admits to hanging a man on a cross and beating him…I know he was young but he was never charged by the FBI and speaks of the incident in the forward he wrote(?) to Special Agent Joseph Trimabach’s book AMERICAN INDIAN MAFIA. I am a huge believer that all laws should be for all people….while I may not be happy with the prison system in the United States…I believe that run correctly it should be a place where people are held accountable for their actions…I think it is a necessary step to healing all parties involved.I think that people either rise to the occasion or remain unable to confront the horror of what they have done and thus are never able to be totally free. I do not believe that informers involved in crimes should get lesser sentences than those they have informed on…I do think that it should be a consideration after remorseful behavior and parole is being considered. Richard Two Elk reminds me of someone who is not proud of who he has become.
There are a lot of accusations flung about on alt.native and I try not to pay attention to the ones that are just insults being flung around…there are a lot….one of the accusations being hurled around for awhile was that the “real victims” of Wounded Knees were those whose homes were destroyed and that the occupiers of Wounded Knee should sew blankets. Some write like the people are living in cardboard boxes not with no blankets or food….Wounded Knee seems to be a very emotional and sacred site, there was a movement of Indians who were being repressed by the government State and Federal….they thought quite mistakenly that a group of individuals with a few rifles were a match for for the United States government…and like Japan-they were wrong.
The appropriate response after Wounded Knee would have been for the governor at the time to declare an emergency ask for Federal money in order for the owners to rebuild….if this was not done? Shame should be on our government.
The video is very one sided and while Richard Two Elk claims PBS neglected to tell the death of a black supporter at Wounded Knee.. he fails to mention that he hung someone on a cross and beat them to death…this person has disappeared and apparently he changes his story…AIM took him….the FBI took him…??? This is a man who the FBI has chosen as their spokes person on AIM and Wounded Knee. Further more this video fails to mention the abuse and murder of Indian children on Pine Ridge…a little girls eye was shot out. Houses and cars were routinely shot up….even some of the lawyers for the occupiers were beaten. A young woman named Jancita Eagle Deer was raped by the future Governor…He was disbarred by the tribal courts…but the FBI was so racist against Indians that they did not consider the tribal judge to be legitamate….because he was Indian?? There are so many twists and turns to this story I encourage all of you who are interested to read THE UNQUIET GRAVE by Steve Hendricks. He seems to be unbiased and often criticizes or praises both the FBI and AIM.
The fact of the matter is PBS could do a five part series on Wounded Knee II and never be able to cover all of the finger pointing and accusations. The murder of Anna Mae Aquash alone has more whodunnit theories than CARTERS HAS LIVER PILLS!
My solution to all of this is to either let it drop or to put every single person under sodium penethol or hook them up to lie detector tests…every FBI agent, BIA workers…all of the major characters on Pine Ridge…in AIM…FBI informants…even with all of that peoples faulty memories probably still wouldn’t be enough to find out what really happened.
SNAPPLE LEAVES A COMMENT
This is a comment SNAPPLE just left on my blog for those of you who would like to hear from an FBI supporter’s take on the whole Anna Mae Aquash story. My response is below his.
On August 12, 2009 at 5:24 am Snapple Said:
Elizabeth,
Richard Two Elk has made a video that describes some things that happened when the AIM attacked the people at Wounded Knee.
I think you should hear his side instead of just listening to a woman who may be closely associated with the people who conspired in some crimes.
I have a number of posts about Two Elk, but you might want to see his new video.
The introduction of the Trimbach’s book is written by Mr. Two Elk. He writes about child abuse and alcoholism in the introduction. This book is based on Indian sources because it is Indians who witnessed the crimes or who were the victims.
I linked it on this post.
http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2009/08/richard-two-elk-stolen-legacy-of.html
I think you are believing the lies that the criminals who killed Indians, FBI agents, and some young women and men at Wounded Knee told.
You write about abuse of women and children, but young women and girls were sexually assaulted and murdered during the take-over.
The lawyer for the AIM, Mark Lane, got money from the KGB. He was also the lawyer for the 900 people at Jonestown who were murdered. Mark Lane says he managed to escape that day. Only a few people weren’t poisoned or shot. Then Mark Lane–the AIMster lawyer who got money from the KGB–wrote a book that claimed the CIA killed those people.
Mark Lane got money from the Soviet KGB to make trouble and to discredit American security agencies like the FBI and CIA. We know this because a KGB archivist defected to the British with many years of notes he took on the documents in the KGB foreign intelligence archives.
Snapple,
You must not have read my posts or comments to James Simon very well. I do not just listen to Monica Charles…she merely suggested a book to read….I have been reading THE UNQUIET GRAVE by Steve Hendricks. I got hung up on the Jancita Eagle Deer story and wrote several posts about her. What do you think about Jancita Eagle Deer? Do you see her as just another lying drunk Indian woman who “got” what she asked for?
I in no way, shape or form support ANYONE who has raped or abused women or children…David Seals has spoken out against AIM leaders who treated women poorly…as has Monica Charles. (look up my posts on Bernard Red Cherries. I have a victims statement from his step daughter on my blog. A fellow blogger was threatened by Autonomous AIM Where is the FBI??) The point is Snapple, you and James Simon unconditionaly support those who who have either ignored or partaken in the abuse of women. As Monica Charles once wrote I see the law enforcement as public servants sworn to uphold the laws of the United States(she just plain mistrusts them). The FBI should have been protecting the rights of Native Americans and not just those of the colonizers.
I am not mired in opinion of one side over the other. I do not blindly support the AIM or the FBI. The only people I blindly support are the victims…and not the ones crying over the loss of their material possesions at Wounded KneeII
My sympathies and prayers go to the children like MaryAnn Little Bear and Jancita Eagle Deer…and the countless others who did not seem to warrant the FBI’s attention in the terms of a thorough investigation. That bothers me more than the Anna Mae Aquash murder…Anna Mae Aquash was a woman who made it to adulthood and made her decision to be involved in activities that may or may not get her killed…she felt that what she was doing was right and good. I do not agree with nor do I condemn her actions…She was caught up in something that became beyond her control. However I do not hold AIM to higher standards than I hold the FBI.The only law enforcement agent that looks to be a hero in all of this is U.S.Marshal Colburn…he’s good looking too!
My concept of my history has been pulled out from under me with this Indian stuff…totally blows me away at 43? My attitudes toward law enforcement and the government has changed considerably not because they made mistakes or did stupid things or even because they plotted to exterminate Indians but because they continue to support the wrong minded thinking in 2009. 2009 ! ! ! (kind of like the racism we are seeing with the election of Obama) They refuse to recognize, take responsibility and hold accountable those who did not enforce the laws that they were sworn to uphold. AIM was a group of protestors that got out of hand…the FBI is a government agency who only investigated crimes on Pine Ridge and other reservations when it suited their racist, paranoid beliefs.
As for Richard ‘Two Elks….have you ever read alt.native??? This is what the FBI supports??? Seriously???? All any jury would have to read is a copy of him making fun of a woman who was sexually abused by her father that pretty much negates what he claims to be consern and support for Native women. I own a copy of AMERICAN INDIAN MAFIA and I will get around to reading it. But being endorsed by Richard Two Elks and Bill Janklow….you guys are starting off on the wrong foot with me.
I am trying to finish THE UNQUIET GRAVE and it is difficult…they are in Oregon traveling with dynamite….It’s hard to read but this is not something that I can even discuss with you because you are 100 percent in support of genocide. I can’t even get James Simon to acknowledge that the government was stearilizing Indian women in the sixties. His avoidance of the topic makes me believe that he thinks that these were the right actions…that Indian women are less than human. What about you SNAPPLE….do you unconditionally support all actions by the United States???
A few more things why do you hide behind the name SNAPPLE?
Why are the FBI supporters so concerned about Monica Charles sex life? That really bothers me..why is that thrown around? Do you hold women to differnet standards? Is there any proof of her having sex with Dennis Banks? She says she didn’t….and if she did why bring it up like she is a whore? How many women or men have you been with??? Why aren’t the sex lives of the FBI agents under attack or investigated or commented about?
Get that video of Richard Two Elks on youtube and I will put it on my blog and make it a whole post!
Oh and I haven’t heard of any young women being murdered at Wounded Knee….but with all I have been stuffing in my head…did I gloss over it?
I look forward to hearing your response.
MARTHA ALVAREZ SPEAKS OF ABUSE FROM CHIEF BERNARD RED CHERRIES
To learn more about this issue please read THE ABUSE PAPERS.
I had to take a break from this issue due to vacation and work issues….plus I have had a lot of personal turmoil about the issue. My head spins sometimes from the multitudes of personalities and lies put forth by Lisa/Eaglewingwoman/Beverly H. I have a tendency to believe people when they comment on a situation not being used to the idea that people are not always as they portray themselves online. Someone has to keep reminding me that I may be dealing with a man who has mental problems and that most of the things that the personalities say is not true. I sometimes feel like there should be a support group for people confused and confounded by Bernard Red Cherries and his supporters.
Martha Alvarez is a young woman who spent part of her childhood with a man who calls himself Chief Bernard Red Cherries 6th Generation Spiritual Leader and Sundance/Arrow Priest, Chief of the Northern Cheyenne Elk Society
Chief Headsman Northern Cheyenne Elk Society. This is an e-mail that was sent to Eugene Johnson and read on Sal Serbin’s radio show INDIGENOUS SOUNDS on WSLR 96.5 fm in Sarasota Florida.
Robert was a controlling man. When I was a little girl, I remember him being nice, almost like a savior when we moved to Montana. We were in a group home in Warm springs and apparently it was Robert’s idea to come and get us. He told my mother to get the kids and bring them back here. She did. After a while that man went away. As to the extent of our abuse, I remember the most because I was older about 7 or so. My little brothers were 2 and 5 when we moved there. He abused us in every form except sexual. He whipped us with anything, 2x4s, extension cords, belts. And not just our butts. I know the difference. I recall being drug through the house on numerous occasions, pulled up off the ground by my hair, yelled at, threatened, belittled, etc.
The worst for me was the mind games. he would always tell us to go to our room…the back room and we would know what was coming, almost like walking down Death Row. And most to the time we didn’t even know what we had done. On one occasion, my brother Tommy Joe and I were in the back room and Robert walked in with his belt in one hand. We were both crying, of course, and he holds out his finger to me and says “Pull it”. Tommy looks at me and vice versa. We look at him. I just stood there looking at him. He turns to my little brother and says “Pull it.” Tommy still crying, put out his hand and pulled his extended finger. Robert farted and started laughing and said “Get out of here.”
He also liked to use guns, rifles on my mother. I actually saw this. My mother has never really mentioned anything else but that about what happened to her behind the doors. We were made to call him Dad. I didn’t want to but we didn’t have a choice. When people use the expression “walking on eggshells,” we really did. He would tell us not to go outside when he wasn’t there and we would listen. That’s the type of control he had over us. We weren’t allowed to talk at the dinner table, only he was. We were the family that has been seen and not heard, truly. It felt like we were there for appearances. Looking back now, I was always the defiant one. I don’t think I realized that until now.
Here is another statement made by Martha Alvarez.
I want to thank Eugene and Rhonda for everything they are doing. Thanks to anyone else that has come forward, for standing up to persons not mentioned. I truely appreciate it.
As to those organizations or persons protecting him I’m not hiding, and why would you conceal something so wrong! I’m not afraid. Why don’t you ask me what happened? This issue truely is one sided, you don’t have my side, my mothers, or even truely my little sisters, if in fact she has been contacted. Every thing I have done is out of love even if you don’t see it that way.
It has been many years but I remember and I’m not a liar. We are not the only family.
Eugene is right I never said anything about sexual assault, I don’t know where that is coming from.
I’m here and I’m standing up for what I know is true. You can’t erase what happened to us, or anyone else for that matter. Your big performance isn’t going to hide the truth much longer. It’s all just an act, a show, and you enjoy it. The thrill, power, and attention. This is truely my life, my memories.
I wonder if you protect all corrupt persons in places of leadership or athority to this extent. Does the issue of abuse of children, women, families mean nothing? No matter how long ago it was. Does his position entitle him to hurt people with out any consequences?
Were we not wronged in all of this? Don’t you even consider all the pain this has done to us and then to insult us by calling us liars, to say it never happened would be the lie. I’ve tried to let it go, live my life, but it still affects me to this day. I’ve never even got an apology or a sign of remorse which confirms he has not changed since then, at all.
I’m not going to stay silent any longer. I played that part of obedient daughter. I’m not backing down. I do have a past and I’m not afraid of it.
My motivation in all this is my family and for me. I’m taking back my power that was stolen from me all those years ago. For every thing I heard, saw, experienced, and for the ones that endured it with me. For those who aren’t strong enough yet.
You won’t scare me away, the pain of that life is to strong to let you!
Martha Alvarez | Homepage | 05.15.09 – 2:34 pm | #
I am adding this because it is a beautiful comment from Martha’s mother.
MAYBE NOT THE FIRST BUT DEFINATELY NOT THE LAST! AS I SIT HEAR AND READ ALL OF THESE PEOPLES TRUETHS AGAIN IN MY MIND – I THINK “MY DAUGHTER MARTHA ONCE AGAIN STOOD UP FOR NOT ONLY HER MOTHER, SISTERS & BROTHERS WHILE LIVING IN BERNARDS HOME IN LAME DEER BUT SHE HAS THE COUARGE TO SHOW ME ONCE AGAIN THAT THIS WAS THE TRUTH AND I DONT HAVE TO BE AFRAID TO SAY IT, PUBLICLY. SORRY I AM NOT VERY EDUCATED, OR INTUITIVE BUT I DO HAVE ALOT OF FEELINGS. I M SORRY TO SAY MY DAUGHTER: DELLA ANN RED CHERRIES IS NOW IN COFFEE CREEK – STATE PRISON IN OREGON. I AM SAYING THANK YOU MARTHA FOR ALWAYS BEING THE LEVEL HEADED, STRONG & PAINFULLY HONEST WOMEN YOU HAVE GROWN INTO. MY GRANDSON IS LUCKY TO HAVE YOU HELPING HIM ALONG NOT LETTING ANY HURT HIM FOR ANY REASON.
MY NAME IS LOIS AND I AM MARTHAS MOM.
BERNARD HAS NEVER EVER SAID HE WAS SORRY TO ME OR MY CHILDREN AFTER ALL THE FIVE(5) YEARS WE SUFFERED FOR “THE CHEYENNE PEOPLE” LIVING IN LAME DEER, MT.
THANK YOU WE ALL NEED PRAYERS…
ONE OF THE EX’S | 04.26.09 – 3:00 pm | #
And this precious thank you.
I’m really taken back by what one little e-mail has generated. Honestly I’m shocked people took time to listen. It’s been many many years coming and I’m glad people are finally seeing what we saw all those years. Thank you, all of you. I never thought of my self as a strong person I’m only doing what I thought was right for my family. For me it is justice just having people acknowledge what he has done not only to my family but others as well. I can remeber one to many times people of authority turned their backs on us because Robert was a medicine man to his people. To young children it destroys a sense of trust in those figures. Any of those who know him like I do understand it’s not easy facing those memories but I’m not seven anymore and I’m not going to let him have that hold on me any longer. I will never forgive or forget but I will pray for him. As to my little sister I’m only sorry I couldn’t help her more than what I’m doing right now. To my mother, wow, I never knew you saw me like that. To Rhonda thank you once again for seeing both sides of the story. For everyone else thanks for outing Bernard Redcherries, Robert Coltte, or whatever name he chooses to go by now or in the future.
Thanks once again for simply listening
Martha | Homepage | 04.28.09 – 3:02 am | #
ANNA MAE AQUASH 60/JANCITA EAGLE DEER MEETS ex GOVERNOR BILL JANKLOW part III
All excerpts are in italics and from THE UNQUIET GRAVE by Steve Hendricks.
Previously a young Jancita Eagle Deer alleges that Bill Janklow raped her. The investigation, like many rape investigations on reservations at the time (I hope things have gotten better),is poorly conducted with adults hesitating, unwilling to do their jobs. Years later she attends a press conference publicly stating that she was victimized. The press conference does not end well for her and she is accused of making up the story by Bill Janklow”s lawyer Jeremiah Murphy.
The story continues…
The reporters never asked how Jeremiah Murphy had seen the papers he said he had seen, papers like Eagle Deer’s school and medical records. these were personal documents, protected by law from prying eyes like Murphy’s, as any lawyer would have known. ….
Nor, above all, did reporters investigate the truth or falsity of the competing stories told by Murphy and Eagle Deer. They simply decreed Eagle Deer wrong.
A few days later, the Court of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe, Judge Mario Gonzales presiding, convened to hear evidence In re disbarment of William Janklow. The only reporter in attendance was Minnesota freelancer Kevin McKiernan. Janklow did not attend either, though Gonzalez had ordered him to appear and show cause why he should not be disbarred. Gonzalez had also ordered a BIA police officer to bring the BIA’s file on the alleged rape, but the officer’s superiors ordered him not to give Gonzalez the “confidential” file.This was a large insult. Virtually every court in the nation was entitled to review police records when relevant to a case at hand. For the BIA to say that Judge Gonzalez could not see the records was tantamount to saying that his court was no court.
There was irony in this turn of events because tribal courts had been created a century before by the Indian Bureau to strip traditional chiefs of power and give it to Indian Judges who could be kept servile.
Gonzalez answered the BIA’s insult by jailing the officer who refused to hand over the file and promising the same for his superiors if they set foot on the reservation. Judge Bogue immediately reversed Gonzalez and, more insult to injury, misspelled his name.
Dennis Banks proceeded with his case, calling twenty witnesses against Janklow.
Eagle Deer testified, in Gonzalez’s words, “in obvious discomfort at reliving old horrors.” He found her testimony entirely credible. Kaye Lord and others recounted the rape as Eagle Deer had told them, and eagle Deer’s medical records, unlike her police file, were produced by the hospital. Contrary to the press-conference claim of Jeremiah Murphy, the records contained evidence of some kind, not made explicit by Judge Gonzalez, that was consistent with a claim of sexual assault.
“Furthermore,” Gonzalez wrote, “the evidence indicates that an obstruction of justice followed the rape. When a complaint was being made to the Bureau of Indian Affairs Special Officer, Janklow was there. No relief or representation was possible through the Legal Services Program since Mr. Janklow ran it…..testimony indicates that as recently as two months ago, Mr. Janklow offered Miss Eagledeer’s grandfather money after inquiring about her. The depth of the suffering which Miss Eagledeer conveyed in her testimony cannot be reproduced through words on paper. Feeling shame, she left the Rosebud Reservation and returned only once until today. Her foster parents testified that her grades and interest in school fell after she was raped. She still feels frightened and inhibited by the beastly act committed against her by Mr. Janklow. It can only be hoped that she will come to realize that she should hold her head up proud for she has not guilt. She is a victim.”
Gonzalez disbarred Janklow from tribal court, then went one better and issued a warrant for his arrest.
The newspapers of the state might have been expected o give at least a few paragraph to the warrant, to the disbarment , or to the finding that Janklow had raped Eagle Deer.
They did not.
ANNA MAE AQUASH 58/JANCITA EAGLE DEER MEETS ex-GOVERNOR BILL JANKLOW (PART I)
All excerpts are in italics and from THE UNQUIET GRAVE by Steve Hendricks.
I had to make another attempt to tell the story of Jancita Eagle Deer only all together instead of spread out over several chapters and without interruptions. Also without anger in my heart.
Once upon a time there was a little girl named Jancita who lived on the Rosebud Indian Reservation. Indian reservations were created by very greedy white men and the greedy women who choose to sleep with them. As Americans we know the story of the Brady Bunch isn’t true…childhood is full of pain and hurt, wounds and scars, sprinkled between moments of carefree and wonderful moments. I think that Indians on Pine Ridge lived the Brady Bunch Negative Extreme…instead of families coming together the bad greedy white men rip them apart. Stole their children and sent them to houses of horror called boarding schools. If you can imagine Satan running a boarding school….well it is probably worse than your imagination. Mothers and Father’s are helpless as greedy men and women kidnap their children re-name them in the name of Christianity (although Christ himself would have nothing to do with the insanity of such loveless actions) subjected to all manner of abuse, readily scorned and attempts made to scour their memory of who they really were.
Young Jancita attended one of these little houses of horror and on
“Saturday night in January 1967, Jancita Eagle Deer was checked out of her dormitory at the Rosebud Boarding School in Mission, South Dakota, by Bill Janklow. Eagle Deer was a full-blooded Lakota with bobbed hair of pitch, eyelashes of a length other girls would sell fingers for, a full cheeked smile, and a frame of pleasing proportions. She was fifteen. Her parents had been unable to care for her, owing to the same alcoholism and despair that had cleaved Anna Mae Aquash from her parents she had been placed with foster parents, John and Yvonne Arcoren, With the help of attorneyJanklow, the Arcorens were in the process of adopting Eagle Deer. Janklow had also helped Eagle Deer gain admittance to the BIA boarding school in Mission where he lived, and since the Arcorens lived twenty miles away in St. Francis, Janklow assumed an avuncular posture toward the girl. On that Saturday night, her brought her home for dinner with his family, after which she was to go to a dance. At five minutes before eight-the time would assume some importance- Janklow drove her the half-mile downtown, but the dance hall was unlit: they were too early.
“We might as well drive around until the dance starts,” Janklow said.
“Can I go to a movie?” Eagle Deer said.
He replied, in her version of the story, “Wouldn’t you rather drink with me?”
“I’d rather go to the dance.”
They may have briefly driven around the town, a sprinkling of bruised buildings and rutted streets that would not have sustained much driving, but soon they headed west into the countryside on U.S. Highway 18. A few miles from town, he turned the car north on a dirt section-line track and in the story Eagle Deer told-allof which Janklow has repeatedly and vehemently denied- drove until he reached a small rise where a gate blocked their progress…..
He reached across her seat, pushed a lever, and as the seat fell back pushed her back with it. She tried to get up but he held her down.
“The first time I saw you in my office, I was crazy about you,” he said. “And I have been ever since.” He asked her to come away with him.
She said he had a wife and children.
“To hell with them. I’ll get a divorce.”
Not knowing what else to say, she said his wife was nice and he shouldn’t divorce her, but he was unbuttoning her blouse and seemed not to hear. She hit him and said she wanted to go back to town, but he kept unbuttoning, so she kept hitting.
“Goddamn, what are you so frightened about?” he said. “I won’t hurt you.”
Funny how men think that rape will not hurt a girl….this is common among child molesters and rapists.
he got her blouse unbuttoned, unbuckled his belt, and unzipped his pants. He raised her skirt and tried to pull down her underwear. She was flailing, and it took some doing to get the underwear off, but at last he mounted her. The rape, according to Jancita Eagle Deer of the eighth grade, lasted about ten minutes. What she felt or thought, whether she continued to struggle or went limp, what precisely her assailant was alleged to have done-the sounds and smells and touch of her particular hell-is nowhere recorded.
When Janklow was sated, he got off her and told her to put her underwear on. She did and pulled her skirt back down and buttoned her blouse. He reassembled himself, put the car in gear, and started back to town. The dashboard clock read 8:50
They were silent until Janklow took three dollar bills from his wallet and geve them to her. She wouldn’t tell anyone, would she?
She took the money without comment.
He said he was going to Denver on Wednesday and asked if she would come along.
“If I could take one of my girlfriends,” she said.
“Forget it.”
They drove on in silence.
“What if I wanted to check you out of the dorm. What would you do?”
“I don’t know.”
When they arrived downtown, he let her out at the dance hall and told her to come back home after the dance. She did not. Next morning, he saw her on the street with friends, ordered her into his car, and drove her home. He sent his wife to the store (?? can you imagine??? that’s why I’m not married!!!) and yelled at Eagle Deer for staying out all night. She asked him to take her back to school. At one o’clock on Sunday afternoon he did, and she went directly to a dormitory matron, Catherine Bordeaux, who could see she had been crying. Eagle Deer said she had been raped and told the foregoing story.
“Are you sure what you’re saying is true?” Bordeaux said when Eagle Deer had finished. “A false statement could get you in a lot of trouble.”
“He took advantage of me,” Eagle Deer said. “And I have proof.”
She unbuttoned her shirt, revealing what Bordeaux described as a nickel-sized “discoloration of the skin” on her upper left breast. Another hickey was visible on the right side of her neck. Eagle Deer credited both to Janklow.
While they were talking, the phone rang. It was Janklow, and he asked to talk to Eagle Deer, but Bordeaux said the girl was distraught and didn’t want to speak with him. She hung up and went to tell her supervisor, (Today she should have immediately called the police. And then notified her supervisor.) Kaye Lord, about Eagle Deer’s claim. while Lord and Bordeaux were talking, an aide rushed up to them and said that Janklow had stormed into the office where Eagle Deer was waiting and that it sounded “like big trouble in there”- the girl crying, the man hollering. Lord went in to the office and sent Eagle Deer out. (Should have sent him out) When the tearful girl emerged, she told Bordeaux in the hallway, “Mr. Janklow told me not to get him into trouble. He said he would buy me everything I wanted.”
Inside the office, Kay Lord found janklow pacing. She said, “I think you had better tell me your side of the story.”
He agreed. He said the night before, Eagle Deer had had supper with his family, after which she had asked to have a couple of drinks. He had said no. A little before eight, she asked if she could go to the dance, and a few minutes later he drove her downtown. Because the dance hall was darkened, he wouldn’t let her out of the car. She asked if he would buy her peppermint schnapps, and he said, “Of course not.” They drove for maybe thirty-five minutes.At about ten minutes to nine, he let her off at the dance hall and told her to come home by a quarter of two. She didn’t, and he picked her up in Mission the next morning. In the afternoon he dropped her at her dormitory. That was it. He asked to see Eagle Deer.
Lord said it would be too upsetting and suggested he leave. After he did, she called Eagle Deer back into the office and asked to hear her side. Eagle Deer told the same story she had told Bordeaux and showed Lord the hickey on her breast. Lord called Eagle Deer’s stepparents and the school’s principal, but not for several hours did she call the BIA police, and not until Monday morning, thirty-six hours after the alleged rape, did a doctor at the Rosebud Hospital examine Eagle Deer.(That is so heartbreaking that adults running the boarding school could choose hour after hour to take the wrong action.)
On that Monday an investigator of the BIA, Peter Pitchlynn began an inquiry, and on Wednesday he made a report to the FBI. The FBI made its own investigation and made a report to the U.S. attorney. A month later, an assistant U.S. attorney wrote the FBI that “there is insufficient evidence to support the allegations. of the victims, and said allegations. are unfounded.” Janklow was not prosecuted.
to be continued…..
TWIST OF FAITH
I watched this movie from NETFLIX about a man who had been sexually abused by a Catholic Priest. He is a fireman and was incredibly brave allowing a film crew to record is journey of trying to get the church to recognize the abuse and more importantly to acknowledge the coverup and to ensure that priests proven to be child molesters would no longer be protected by the church.
It caused a tremendous strain on his family, and they almost got divorced. It takes a tremendous amount of time and energy to go through the healing process and you need to create a safe environment to do so. He lost over 20lbs in a few months from the stress of dealing with the church.
It was maddening to see the interviews with his abuser. I think they were taking depositions and he would plead the fifth..but at one point the son of a bitch said he didn’t think that children were damaged by sexual abuse….wanted to dive through the fucking screen!!!
I couldn’t find anything on this movie on youtube but I did find this short video there are lots of women who speak out but I found a man…
There is another good movie called DELIVER US FROM EVIL here is the trailer..
I was writing a friend tonight about healing from abuse and how self-centered the process is. How normal that is. If you are not in counseling or in a support group all of the things you are experiencing seem unique to you. But they aren’t…its almost like science if you are sexually abused you will experience this this and this. And in order to heal you will go through this this and this. Of course there will be variations…but releasing anger, being afraid, regaining control …lashing out uncontrollably…are all very normal and forgivable offenses. You have to be aware that you may be lashing out at the wrong people and make adjustments but forgive yourself and ask for forgiveness.
I can’t imagine how hard it would be to go through the healing process with a family to support..it was amazing I made it to work. My counselor wanted me to voluntarily commit myself for a vacation. I wouldn’t do it…loss of control of my life would have been to much for me to bear at the time. A psychiatrist put me on Zoloft. I had gotten to the point where I would bounce checks because I was afraid of breaking my routine by going to the bank to deposit my pay checks. (there wasn’t direct deposit back then.) Zoloft worked wonders for a bit then I started getting depressed again. She put me on some other medication….I remember looking at the info sheet that came with it…something about being prescribed for people with schizophrenia….that wasn’t me! I did take them for a few weeks hated them…knew they were wrong. Stopped taking everything. Stopped seeing the psychiatrist. It took probably 6 months to get the drugs out of my system…the world was surreal. Finally one morning I woke up and knew I was myself again. Counseling was good it gave me some affirmatives that I wasn’t crazy or alone…but I have to say I’m the sort that got more out of reading a book and doing the exercises, but you have to be self disciplined in that area. I was and still am. (But not so self disciplined in other areas) Issues still arise but I am capable of dealing with them most of the time… there are always books by people who have paved for you…. or places to hike….trees to listen…posts to write….whatever works for you.
I think that Native American women have it particularly hard also having to deal with racism, and discrimination…the abuse rates are so high among Native American women….probably men too. The reservations are lacking in greatly needed social programs. (That is another post)
Everyone takes a different path and no one path is right for everyone..and some are slower than others….sort of like the path to enlightenment! some of us start walking backwards…stay with the familiar rather than venturing into the unknown…
For those of you interested here is a link to a list of books on child abuse on AMAZON.
An amusing memory has just come back. When I was going through this process I didn’t have a computer or Amazon…I had to go into the bookstore stand in front of the self-help section..find the book I wanted and figure out a way to purchase it without being obvious! Hope for a female cashier get a few magazines and whatever else you can afford so it won’t be so OBVIOUS…..which of course probably made it more OBVIOUS. After awhile you get used to it and you’ll wave the books around…just to laugh in the face of fear!!!
ANNA MAE AQUASH 57/ JANCITA EAGLE DEER/ANATOMY OF A THREAT
All excerpts are in italics and from THE UNQUIET GRAVE by Steve Hendricks.
I have been avoiding these posts because of this chapter on Bill Janklow and Jancita Eagle Deer. It’s like I want to crawl out of my skin….turn myself inside out rip my heart out. It drives me crazy.. I wish I could copy and paste this part of the story because I want it to be over…but I have to read and type because I can’t find a good version of what happened.
I wrote the above early yesterday morning and had to quit…the story of Jancita Eagle Deer is so sad and filled with despair…one of the many reasons that Joseph Trimbach and his FBI colleagues should be in jail along with some goons, Bill Janklow, probably half of the United States government…Monica probably thinks it should be more! (finally I made myself laugh this morning)
There seems to be little support or concern for Indian women…the men of AIM beat their chests and congratulate themselves….they seem to be more concerned with a power struggle and prestige…titles. Things the white government has taught. It is the same for all women…we have lost much of the ground during the eight years of the Bush administration…but in America today it seems that Indian women are so strong and the most abused and looked down upon.
I think the two stories have been merging on me as of late…injustice for women continues. You can read more about Anatomy of a Threat on THE ABUSE PAPERS
Strong women
Here is a picture of Jancita Eagle Deer and a link to her story here and here and here.
Other strong and beautiful women I have encountered surrounding this and the issue of abuse are
Monica Charles who got me involved in this
Martha Alvarez a young woman who speaks with such conviction against her abuser…she has inspired bloggers to confront the issue.
Anna Mae Aquash who through her spirit is working tirelessly as ever.(There are no sites that I know of that are non-biased about Anna Mae Aquash…they all seem to have an agenda. Everyone has an opinion and everyone thinks that they are right. While I am reading The Unquiet Grave, I have formed no opinion on who did it. I do have a strong opinion that the FBI was grossly negligent and incompetent in their duties to American citizens.
Shusli of Spring Thunder blog who was one of the original supporters of Martha Alvarez’s right to speak against her abuser.
Mary Ann Little Bear a little girl who had her eye shot out and the FBI and BIA police couldn’t be bothered to investigate. I truly hope she is doing well now.
Ellen Moves Camp...who had the courage to ask “Where are all our men?”
I have encountered some good men, the most graceful and humble Jumpybird on alt.native he probably does not know that his example does have a profound effect on some.Then there is brave Eugene Johnson from Pudgy Indian 2….Having a hard time coming up with more will add them later if I can think of any.
Peace to all..
and my prayers to Runningwolf in this difficult time she is experiencing.
Much love to Ordinary Sparrow who is a constant reminder that there is another way.
AMEN!
BERNARD RED CHERRIES TRAVELS TO PORTLAND OREGON WITH ???… BEVERLY H? LISA D ? HIS IMAGINARY FRIEND????
For those of you new to this blog and wanting more information about this post please read THE ABUSE PAPERS
So this is the type of woman Bernard Red Cherries chooses as a traveling companion this in from Beverly H/Lisa D/fox/eaglewingwoman
Do not fret wolfie,(so…are you supporting Runningwolf on Red Cherries behalf?? maybe you should inform Guardian) seems you maybe are one of the very few who
understand that it is not good to lie (This coming from a person who can’t remember to tell the truth about her name!!!), and spread vicious rumor(no rumors just posting a child abuse victims testimony…Red Cherries supporters are perfectly capable of doing him in ) about
anyone. And for that I commend you. Chief Red Cherries is now in
Portland, Oregon and is working on some issues, go ahead liz check
this ip addy its at a inter-net cafe off of M.L.K. in North Portland,
I’m doing laundry. And Hope hang in there don’t let Super skin Monica
intimidate you, keep on sharing your thoughts.
Lisa.
FYI Lisa, Here is the only mention of Bernard Red Cherries mentioning sexual assault. I wonder if Ralph Birdshead knows something the rest of us don’t…….mighty selective when it comes to holding people accountable for their bad information.(Or maybe it isn’t bad….and you want to ignore it)Did you learn that from Guardian??
May 8th – 2009
FR: American Indian Movement/Red Brotherhood
Oklahoma Southern Chapter
RE: Apology requested for ___________ and family, and all of those effected by
The alleged allegations of abuse, sexual assault, etc,,,..etc, etc.
MR Eugene Johnson,
We the Southern Chapter of the Red Bortherhood request that you issue a public apology to __________ and his daughter _________, publically and on your Radio show. You have not held yourself to the high standards set forth by law, that you present and provide proof, when making public statements about a person. We have been authorized and have received the blessings by our people here in Oklahoma to proced on _______ and his daughter ____ behalf. It is a very sad situation when you start making attacks on the inter-net and giving it a platform to attack our Traditional leaders in public. We at the chapter encourage you MR Johnson to do your own investigation on ______ and discover the truth. All people have some amount of pain in their lives and _______ is not exempt. In our yrs of knowing him we have tolerated the attempts to ridicule, and out right lie about him. It has come time now that he needs our “Protection” from lies and untruths such as you have allowed in your forum, all without a (what you call!!) a thread of proof. In closing if you want to ask any questions please forward any of your concerns to our A.I.M. brother ___________, we have already had conversations with him and he knows our concerns int his regard and anticipated apologies from yourself. And we would hope that this could happen as soon as possible. As of yesterday 5-7-09 _______ has been in contact with his daughter ____, his conversations with her and her counsler from __________ in which ____ affirmed her love for her father, and frustrations about the slander and untruths being spread about her father, we would hope that you and your internet audience allow for these two relatives of ours time to heal and pray instead of continuing and encouraging attacks of this family, or present proof, until then we await your apologies, no negotiaions.
Ralph Birdshead JR
Red Brotherhood Southern Chapter
Spokesman. Oklahoma
Posted by Eugene at 5:28 PM
What I don’t understand is if the AIM mentioned here is the original AIM or Autonomous AIM. Time to e-mail.
ANNA MAE 56/Grrrrrr!!!
As some of you know I have been on vacation of the road trip sort….It was good to get away from the Anna Mae story, the posts were getting short because I would get pissed off…outraged. When I was young grown-ups would tell me that I was too ideal and that the world was not ideal….they said I would change. I didn’t. In fact as an adult and encountering opportunities to further my career, money or social status in exchange for a bit of corruption….found I could not live with myself. Having faced the choice….I am even more adamant in my beliefs…there is a whole process when it comes to choosing between the right thing and the wrong thing.
I used to worry the trial would be over long before I was halfway through the book after being in the desert for a week I had the thought that it was all waiting for me. How is that for ego??
What I need to say is how terribly wrong all of this is.
All excerpts are in italics and from THE UNQUIET GRAVE by Steve Hendricks.
CHAPTER 9
Grrrrr. Chapter 9 is about Bill Janklow….not sure that man’s name should even be uttered on my blog ever again. One time I was listening to G.Gordon Liddy and he was on a tangent because Ted Turner had made some statement that the TEN COMMANDMENTS didn’t mean anything anymore…G. Gordon Liddy in that correct, precise, enunciation of the English language of his said something to the effect of…”Well, I guess if you have broken all ten commandments they would not mean anything to you”. Kind of reminds me of BJ (interesting initials).
Soooo President Ford nominates this accused rapist and future murderer to the board of directors of Legal Services Corporation. By the way my Dad drank and drove every single day of my life growing up…never ran over anyone. Didn’t drive like a fucking idiot like this BJ. My Dad was courteous and would pull over if a car wanted to pass him….I still do that (pull over not drink and drive!).
This position requires Senate confirmation and when he was called for questioning he had disappeared. Apparently he flew home..
He told them he had left the hearing room when a network television crew arrived because he did not care for his past to be debated before the entire nation.” (Waaaahhhh! Is this a Republican or South Dakota trait?? Send that man a crying towel.)
Jimmie Durham , who ran a group called the International Indian Treaty Council (an offshoot of AIM that worked for indigenous rights worldwide)…..told the Senate that Janklow had raped Eagle Deer (Jancita) and had committed other crimes as enumerated in Judge Gonzalez’s Rosebud courtroom. Durham also said that since becoming attorney general, Janklow had sent eighty state troopers to assault a pork plant that was seized by Indians on the Yankton Reservation. The assault was illegal because only the federal and tribal governments had jurisdiction over reservation crimes. Janklow’s troopers had no more authority to quell a disturbance on Yankton than in Omaha.
Grrrrrr. You might think that his cowardly actions would raise some suspicions but the FBI had already investigated him and found the rape charges baseless….now the White House turned to the FBI again (too fucking tired to rant about that!
GUESS WHAT??? Those corrupt fucks at the FBI said
…”these allegations are simply unfounded”
Senator Jacob Javits of New York….declared the exoneration of Republican Janklow by a Democrat-controlled Senate (Yet another reason to be a Socialist!) “a vindication of your system….We all can be very proud (Apparently Jacob Javits has very low standards) that this was the result, and you should take satisfaction from it rather than laboring under any feeling that you have been harassed. (Jacob Javis did it ever occur to you that bj felt harassed because he was….guilty???) You have really proved something very, very useful and important to our country.” (INDEED YOU HAVE PROVEN THE SENATE TO BE FULL OF IDIOTS AND THAT THE FBI IS CORRUPT…THAT OUR SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING!!!)
So much for Peace and harmony!!
HERE IS YET ANOTHER ACCOUNT OF JANCITA EAGLE DEER this pisses me off more than Anna Mae’s story…Anna Mae was older and stronger with more of a sense of who she was…Janklow probably robbed Jancita of that right.
COULD EAGLEWINGWOMAN HAVE A SPLIT PERSONALITY?
Eaglewingwoman first appeared on alt.native on May 27th 2009 this is how she described herself…Can you imagine having a lawyer with this bad of spelling and grammar…I’m a community college drop out and I write better! My comments are bold and in brackets.
Let me first introduce myself, my name is Beverly H.(Most of Bernards supporters hide who they are. Maybe they are ashamed or don’t really exist?)and am in
noway connected (That might be a true statement!) to or have any benefit for the statement I am about to
wittness too other then bringing forth what I know to be the truth. So
I would appreciate if this commiunity would not “lodge” an attack on
me as I have no desire too have my life put thru “any undo-anguish”(But you certainly don’t mind putting anyundo-anguish on a victim of child abuse) by
this group. I first will state in 1991 I was admitted to the
University of Nebraska School of law in Lincoln, Neb.(Of course she got the name wrong its University of Nebraska COLLEGE of Law My background is
Choctaw. My Great grandparents were from the Mississipi choctaw
Nation.(I wonder if Guardian (Betsy Ashby) bothered to verify that she is an enrolled Mississippi Choctaw Indian?)So as such when I entered law school my heart was to defend
our Native causes.
Then she claimed this…on alt.native June 22/2009
1st off you can stop calling me Bernard or Robert. My name is Lisa D.
I am a choctaw indian. It is amazing to me you waited so long to make
these claims of abuse.(Can you imagine someone in the legal profession berating a victim of child abuse for not coming forward sooner….no wonder Lisa D hides like a coward.) How old are you now??Again i am going to
suggest that you seek healing for yourself through your tribe. You
seem to have issues of a compulsive nature must be addressed by a non-
biased liscensed counselor or elder. Once again would you PLEASE
provide your captivated internet audience with some PROOF? (All of Bernard Red Cherries supporters discriminate against women. Bernard Red Cherries is to believed because he is a “Chief”…still have not confirmed that yet…lots of naysayers though and the Indian woman has to show proof! )Police
reports, abuse agencies and the like. I myself will pray for you to
find your way out of the dark.(And I hope you find your way into the light…you can start by reading the facts at THE ABUSE PAPERS. Lisa D.
To end this this post with something positive please go to this beautiful site I found called BUNNY’S PLACE a page about child abuse.
A GOOD COMMENT FROM THE ABUSE PAPERS
From THE ABUSE PAPERS
cyjames Says:
June 23, 2009 at 10:04 pm | ReplyThank you. Eugene and Shusli are under attack because they were/are identifiable as real people and they live in an area where Bernard Red Cherries has some contacts and influence. I think he’s about used up his favors there. Portland AIM doesn’t appear to want to back up Robert Van Pelt’s threats.
I certainly think it’s good to look into the legal recourses available to the survivors/victims of Bernard Red Cherries’ abuse. I hope that his more recent crimes will go to trial. I don’t know what the statute of limitations is on what he did to Martha and her family. I also don’t know the statute of limitations on his crimes against his other wives and children. Then there is the issue of an abuser continuing his abuse, searching out and finding new victims. Some survivors feel some responsibility for preventing the abuser from doing the same thing to new victims. There is ample public evidence and testimony that he is a serial abuser with known victims from a span of over 20 years.
While I respect your opinion, I think documenting the public testimony remains an important aspect of making people aware of his past behavior. When multiple people come forward independently with similar stories of abuse, this is significant and his behavior becomes a community problem.
Bernard Red Cherries brought this issue into the public forum through bloggers and DJs. He is the one who chose to make his problems public. It is telling that he denied some charges before any of the victims came forward. His victims also have the right to speak and provide a counterpoint to his attempts at disinformation.
When victims/family have already tried to work these issues out in private but have been forced to flee from a violent abuser, it is no longer a private matter. It then becomes a community or tribal issue/problem. By continuing to verbally abuse his victims on the radio and the Internet, Bernard Red Cherries has also made this a matter for Internet discussion.
EAGLEWINGWOMAN SPROUTS SOME NEW FEATHERS
COMPARE THIS FREE OF MISTAKES AND QUOTATIONS WRITING FROM FOX/EAGLEWINGWOMAN JUNE 23
If you want to contact Carter Camp you may do so at
carterc…@yahoo.com (If Carter Camp would like defend Red Cherries he is free to leave a comment, of course since we cannot verify that Lisa d/eaglewingwoman/fox/Beverly h/ are real why would anyone believe a supporter of Bernard Red Cherries?)and ask him about Red Cherries, both Carter and
Bernard and those involved with Native issues are far far to busy to
directly involve themselves with this type of petty behavior(So why are you? Bernard
and Carter have a good relationship and I would hope that the internet
community would respect that. In the past they (Carter&Bernard) have
networked on several issues together. I have not spoken to Red
Cherries about this but feel that it is appropriate if you need
Carters reference.(Wow you must be very close to Carter Camp to give out his e-mail)
AND THEN THIS BY FOX/EAGLEWINGWOMAN FROM ALT.NATIVE JUNE 12
Yes, this Red Cherries issue,(NOTE THE USE OF” RED CHERRIES ISSUE”) alas “Cheap shot” intended to smoke
screen his work of Protecting and preserving native american prayer
ways will bring out the truth in many circles! And I thought that
Runningwolf was a skin,,,,…..hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm..
WHAT I FIND ESPECIALLY INTERESTING IS THIS COMMENT BY FOX/EAGLEWINGWOMAN FROM ALT.NATIVE ON
JUNE 15
Red C? Red Cherries Affair? What do you know about Chief Bernard Red
Cherries? I just cannot believe the amount of disrespect I see( NOW THIS PERSON IS UPSET AT THE DISRESPECT OF THE TERM “RED CHERRIES AFFAIR” BUT ABOVE REFERRED TO IT AS “RED CHERRIES ISSUES” from SO
CALLED Elders. Just because you are old does make one a respected
elder. (SAME GOES FOR TITLES)
CLEARLY TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WRITING. HERE IS THE OTHER PERSON AGAIN..NOTE THE USE OF QUOTATIONS THIS IS ALSO FROM FOX/EAGLEWINGWOMAN ON JUNE 12TH.
And why, why then use an “innocent man”, namely Chief Red Cherries as
a posterchild for your “wicked scheme”. When the wonderful “Guardian”
person brings forth all the facts it will time for “yall ta dine on
sum crow!!!”. MR Johnson intended to become a spokesperson for some
dysfunctional radical feminist movement (BLAME IS ON DYSFUNCTIONAL RADICAL FEMINIST MOVEMENT)(not disrespecting any sisters
out there, as i am a lady meself!!) and make good with his female
counter-part, as I understand that things had became difficult
(personally) as the evidence and their intent was becoming
clearer……So it is respected and understood that “Abuse” in any
form is a bad thing and must be dealt with and measures must be taken
to help rid its existance in not only in Indian country but all
cultures(That is what I am trying to do…what have you done lately?). Cept when you attach yourselves to slanderous causes such as
this dim witted attempt. please fully understand that many of us in
Indian country will defend our Leaders unless you bring forth hard
evidence. As I see it this “attempted scheme” on Chief Red Cherries
will be brought out and your actions snd intents should and will be
“Scrutinized”(Don’t worry they!!) on all accounts. And Eugene has slandered Red Cherries
many times over (Try reading THE ABUSE PAPERS it might save you some embarrassment later on!), you just refuse to accept this many of us heard Sal
Whitehorses interview (Try listening again!!… after you have used a Q-tip), In short MR Johnson “speaks with forked
tongue!!!”. (I think that is called “projection“.
SHOULD GUARDIAN CHANGE HER NAME TO FRAUDIAN?
FOR THOSE OF YOU NEW TO MY BLOG THIS MAY BE A CONFUSING POST TO FIND OUT MORE PLEASE GO TO THE ABUSE PAPERS They are better organized than I am! In fact I should steal their whole page! Maybe later when they aren’t looking!!
Guardian (Betsy Ashby) recently brought to my attention that you could look up IP Addresses on alt.native; didn’t know how but a person more familiar with such things gave me a hand.
On June 12th Guardian posted this on alt.native: Once again my comments are bold and in brackets.
Who? I happen to be sitting on the “NC Rez” (Since Bernard Red Cherries is Northern Cheyenne one might think that she is referring to the Northern Cheyenne Reservation in Lame Deer, Montana)as I type this (enjoying
a yummy banana frosty at The Lift) After I read your claim, I
questioned several of the Tribal Members and Elders I know in the EBCI (ECBI means Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. No wonder Indians think we are a bunch of fucking idiots. Let me drive over to Chiloquin and ask the Klamath Indians about Bernard Red Cherries. Apparently Guardian doesn’t know the difference between Northern Cheyenne and Eastern Cherokee)
regarding Chief Red Cherries. Only ONE knew of him,(which tribal member or Elder are you referring if they are an Elder they should have no problem standing up for what is true.) and that person
spoke VERY highly of Red Cherries.
Of course I do not know all the Indians in the EBCI ….farrrrrr from
it. There are approx. 14,000 of them, so I doubt anyone does…leastof all a non :-0
So who do you know who has spoken out against Chief(Are you REALLY SURE?) Red Cherries on
the “NC Rez? (Once again Guardian implies she is on the Northern Cheyenne Reservation) Anonymous innuendo is cheap and plentiful(As is un-anonymous…you have made this quite apparent) on the
Internet ….but Indian Communities are A LOT smaller then the
Cyberverse.
THOUGHTS ON ABUSERS
Having been surrounded by abusers for quite a bit of my life. I notice a certain commonality in their thinking; they play the victim of the abuse they suffered as children as an excuse for why they chose to become abusers them selves, then they turn around and accuse their victims of not being able to get over it.
“You should be forgiving and understanding of me because I apologized” but they themselves have not forgiven their abusers. It is statements like this that victims of abuse often have to deal with- Abusers who project blame on their victims for not being all better an hour after an apology.
The fact is if you have made the choice to become an abuser you have no say in how long it takes your victims to get over it and forgive you…in most cases they will forgive you long before they get over it. There are no magic words that heal people instantly and to insinuate that there are, is to continue to abuse your victims. Some victims may jump right into counseling and rush towards the healing path but for the most part they have to hit rock bottom first. For some it takes years and for others it takes decades. I know people that started the healing process well into their 50′s. And some people never do they walk around like giant scabs that never quite heal, continually cracking and oozing their infection…
Nobody heals at the same rate we all have different circumstances we are like snowflakes or grains of sand each and everyone is unique with similarities.
This is the same for other offenses. Behavior has natural consequences….if you steal from someone. You many have learned your less, and you may be sorry, but you cannot determine when it is appropriate for the victim to trust you again. Or society in general. If you steal or abuse a member in my family or one of my friends or neighbors you do not choose when I forgive and trust you….it may be never. It is not for you to decide and dictate. The same goes for alcoholic and addicts just because you quit for a day does not mean you have earned the right to belief and trust. Every action has a consequence good or bad.
The fact that so many abusers do not comprehend that, is a sign that they have not overcome their abuse nor have they overcome being abusers. Their circumstances may change and they are no longer able to abuse, they are old and frail or more afraid of the law…..maybe circumstance has changed and they are more afraid of their victims! but the core of their being is still an abuser or a criminal.
I think the true sign of one who has overcome their crimes is humility and remorse-not imposing your will on others.
Talk is cheap. Your actions speak more loudly than words.
Having said that I have a great empathy for those trying to overcome their abuse or addictions. I think that even taking the first step is admirable. It is a long hard road for both the abuser and the victim.
A CLOSER LOOK AT EAGLEWINGWOMAN
Many people have come on my blog or e-mailed me that Eaglewingwoman is really Bernard Red Cherries. I don’t want to state for a fact that Eaglewingwoman is Bernard Red Cherries because I cannot prove it but here is what I will say. Eaglewingwoman is not who she says she is.
However Guardian (Betsy Ashby) of Faux Indian fame, stated that she has talked to her. Of course there is no proof of that and if she did have a phone conversation with her how would you prove that it wasn’t just a faux EWW(Eaglewingwoman?) Hell anyone could claim to be Eaglewingwoman…since she has never offered any single bit of verifiable information. Another one of Red Cherries less than honest/honorable supporters….you can just sort of line them up with their lack of morals and integrity.
Here is the origianl statement from EWW on alt.native
ALL OF THE BOLD STATEMENTS IN BRACKETS ARE MINE…ELIZABETH ANGELA TOOL
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these past charges that Bernard Red Cherries JR had been imprisoned
for. And to help lay to rest the “Rumors” that he was possibly
imprisoned for crimes against women and children,(PLEASE SHOW US WHERE ANYONE SAID THAT BRC’S KIDNAPPING CHARGE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH WOMEN AND CHILDREN…I MUST HAVE MISSED IT. IN FACT UPON SEEING THE LIGHT SENTENCE I COMMENTED THAT HE MUST HAVE KIDNAPPED A GOLD FISH…ALTHOUGH MY BROTHER CAME UP WITH A FUNNIER LINE…”WHAT DID HE KIDNAP? BREAD MOLD?”) this is far from the
thruth. Let me first introduce myself, my name is Beverly H.(BEVERLY H…???? WHAT??? TRUTH DOES NOT HIDE….PROPAGANDA DOES!)and am in
noway connected to or have any benefit for the statement I am about to
wittness too other then bringing forth what I know to be the truth. So
I would appreciate if this commiunity would not “lodge” an attack on
me as I have no desire too have my life put thru “any undo-anguish” (BUT YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM JOINING IN ON THE ATTACKS ON NORAH CHRISTINE RUNNINGWOLF WHO AT LEAST CAN BE INVESTIGATED)by
this group. I first will state in 1991 I was admitted to the
University of Nebraska School of law (ALUMNI REFER TO IT AS THE UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA COLLEGE OF LAW…ALUMNI ARE USUALLY PARTICULAR IN REFERENCE TO THEIR ALMA MATER AND WHY DON’T YOU POST YOUR DEGREE ON LINE SO IT CAN BE VERIFIED)in Lincoln, Neb. My background is
Choctaw. My Great grandparents were from the Mississipi choctaw
Nation.(HOW DO WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT A FAUX INDIAN? WHY ISN’T GUARDIAN ALL OVER THIS?) So as such when I entered law school my heart was to defend
our Native causes.(APPARENTLY EXCEPT FOR INDIAN CHILDREN WHO WISH TO TELL THEIR STORY) As such I was assigned to work with Native inmates
and was assigned to the case of Bernard Red Cherries JR Neb/
D.O.C.#37720 in November of 1986 who was charged with initially
Assault with dangerous weapon 2nd degree felony, carries a penalty of
1yr to 20yrs in Nebraska. My job as an intern was to supply to
Attorney with the facts of the charges, as such the initial charges
were amended to false imprisonment in the 4th degree which carried a
sentance of no less than 15mos/ no more than 3yrs. Because there were
(2) two seperate charges of Assault on (2) two adult white males,
hence the information that you have posted is not all as accurate as
you are implying it to be. Now I do know this much to be fact, MR Red
Cherries has never to my knowledge ever been charged in any
Juristiction with any “crimes” against women, or children. The above
mentioned info that you have posted is from a data base that is
readily available to anyone, however it has no mention of the persons
effected. (DID ANYONE SAY IT DID???)Thru the yrs I have had the opportunity to have read on the
efforts of Bernard Red Cherries in his endeavor to “protect” our
sacred ways (PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW MARTHA ALVAREZ’S SACRED WAYS HAVE BEEN PROTECTED? I WISH A REAL INDIAN WOULD PLEASE EXPLAIN WHETHER IT IS SACRED TO UNQUESTIONABLY TRUST A CHIEF WHILE THROWING AN INDIAN WOMAN TO THE WHITEMAN’S JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR PROOF. WTF??? IF YOU ARE IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM YOU KNOW DAMN GOOD AND WELL THAT CASES OF PHYSICAL ABUSE ARE UNPROSECUTABLE AFTER THE FACT. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES FOR EVEN SUGGESTING SUCH A THING) and can only say that I am very proud of this man and pray
that someday you will all find “Peace and forgiveness” in your hearts
and do thank you all for reading this response.
It’s a little thing called an IP address, Robert. Add to that your crappy writing style, with all the CAPITALS and “quotation marks” and extra punctuation!!!!!!!(YES THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE ALL NOTICED)
Your IP address, by the way, comes from a community college in El Reno, OK the other is maybe the VA. You might want to mix that up a little bit, go the public library or something. Those IP’s were on lori, lisa, Friend of the redcherries, Judy, Wilbur Hawk, and of course, eaglewingwoman.(GOOD FOR YOU TO CONFIRM THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THEM CAME FROM A COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN EL RENO, OK ALTHOUGH I WISH YOU COULD POST AND CONFIRM THE IPADDRESSES)
I’m flattered, though, that you think I’m Eugene.
Here is a comment that was left by Lori on Eugene’s blog courtesy of THE ABUSE PAPERS he is so much better organized than I am….I can never keep my catagories and tags straight…in my haste sometimes I completely forget to add them.
You still have not offered an apology(FOR WHAT?) to my dad, that is fitting and appropriate to address the “damage”(NOTICE THE USE OF QUOTATION MARKS) you have caused by perpetuating the “allegations”(QUOTATIONS AGAIN) made against my dad. I am not a Lawyer by no means, but have learned about my basic rights as an individual. (WHAT BASIC RIGHTS ARE YOU REFERRING TO?) And of those are the “Freedom of information”(NOW YOU HAVE REALLY LOST ME), so please before you go offering what appears to be an apology by force or under duress, please look inside your heart and read your “Supposed apology”(WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE USE OF QUOTATIONS?) and put yourself in my dads moccasins! I have not spoken to my dad in a few days, but to your inter-net audience I assure you he is in a good place, and is going to give a “Statement”(STILL WAITING TO READ THAT) when he’s ready. He is not in Portland, but will be so soon. And to Robert Vanpelt, you deserve an eagle feather for defending my dad, you can represent our family anytime, again, Thank you from myself, dads grandchildren, sonny (Bernard 3rd) and all his Red Cherries clan. You Rock “dad”(THIS IS AN INTERESTING USE OF THE QUOTATIONS “DAD” IS NEVER CAPITALIZED BUT LORI RED CHERRIES, PROUD, ROBERT VAN PELT,CHIEF (BUT NOT BERNARD) RED CHERRIES IS AS IS THE ROCK BEFORE DAD…FRUEDIAN SLIP?). I know my dad better than this he will speak when he thinks “folks”(WHY ARE FOLKS IN QUOTATIONS?) are ready to liston.(BEEN READY WILLING AND WAITING!) Thank you Again for reading my words, Lori Red Cherries-Proud daughter of Chief bernard Red Cherries
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By the way Sushli says that this IP address was from Oklahoma…Does Lori Red Cherries live in Oklahoma? My sources say not! Apparently she doesn’t even go by the name Red Cherries.
Here is a comment from Eaglewingwoman left on my blog under the name Lisa
HERE IS THE IP ADRESS FOR THIS COMMENT: 164.58.255.150 IT BELONGS TO gateway.redlandscc.edu = Redlands Community College in El Reno, OK
But Monica,(FIGURED OUT I’M LIZ TOOL?) please we believe in Bernard Red Cherries. If you want to e-mail me we can converse. I am a “strong” (STILL NOT GETTING THE USE OF QUOTATIONS)supporter of Red Cherries, just as you Believe in Eugene Johnson, many in Indian Country believe in Bernard Red Cherries. To began with I know for a fact that he does not really care what is being written or debated on the inter-net. When he was told (B.R.C.) about the internet gossip, he chuckled and said, exact words,,,(promise) “Damn my bro carter Camp told me yrs ago that these kinds of people are known as net-skins!!”….don’t worry yourself over the b.s.!!. And I will continue as many are to stand in Bernards corner, and i am a “real”(NOT EXACTLY-ON MAY 27TH YOUR NAME WAS BEVERLY H. YOU OR GUARDIAN WHO VOUCHES FOR YOU CARE TO EXPLAIN THAT?) person, not fake(AS A MATTER OF FACT YOU ARE) or imagined, nor forced, or coerced in anyway shape, or form to make any comments on behalf of Bernard, I am in support of the truth,(THEN WHY DON’T YOU START TELLING IT?) of which you have produced absolutely none…nata, zilch….O!!! But you continue to debate those in his support, spread rumors, lies and inuendo about this man. Once again present truth!!!!(I’M STARTING WITH YOU)
HERE IS THE NEXT COMMENT FROM LISA
IP ADDRESS IS: 156.110.24.142. and hails from OKLAHOMA STATE REGENTS FOR HIGHER EDUCATION.
First I would like to tell you I am a real person. I am living is Texas (WHY DO YOU DRIVE AT LEAST TWO AND A HALF HOURS TO USE THE COMPUTER IN EL RENO TO POST EVERY DAY? YOU WOULD THINK A LEGAL PROFESSIONAL COULD AFFORD A COMPUTER)at this time. If I felt I could trust you I would be willing to talk to you in person.However I really don’t know you and I am not looking for a “pissing contest”. Only to help the people understand Chief Red Cherries, The WHOLE story not just what his step-daughter(I WONDER WHY GUARDIAN ISN’T ALL OVER THIS WOMAN FOR DISPARAGING A CONFIRMED INDIAN AND A STEP-DAUGHTER ? ARE THEY LESS THAN ADOPTED DAUGHTERS? BY THE WAY SHUSLI WAS ADOPTED) or some jilted woman (USE OF THE WORD JILTED WOMAN MAKES ME BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE A MAN OR HIS NEW LOVER…BUT I HEAR HE ONLY LIKES WHITE WOMEN NOW)are putting out there.So I will check in in the next couple of days to see if you would like to know the whole truth.(I’M STILL WAITING FOR THE “WHOLE” TRUTH)
Apparently the IP addresses have been used by BRC himself from his bredcherries @….com account and also his myspace account where his screen name was also bredcherries. The site was taken down in December according to one of my sources. Why do so many of the people supporting and surrounding BRC continue to hide and tell lies. This whole thing gets sicker by the day.
I AM IN AWE OF MARTHA ALVAREZ
I’m not one of those people over 30 who think that the younger generation has nothing significant to say or teach. Martha Alvarez has more strength at age 23 than I have now!! And it has taken me all of my life to get this far! I think that many Indian women have had so much more to deal with in life at young ages that they are pillars of strength and courage. I would never have been so bold and self assured and responsible at her age. She exudes beauty outside and inside there is such an abundance that I imagine it to fly out of her pores blessing those around her….
Here are some comments she recently made on alt.native every single victim of abuse should be reading her declarations….I should put up a page dedicated to just her brave comments and confrontations. She is also a single mother and she had custody of her younger siblings for a time! She confronts her abuser and declares that suffering from abuse is no longer an excuse to pass it on to the next generation!
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On Jun 11, 10:15 am, fox <eaglewingwom…@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bernard I choose not to be objective because it was pushed in my face.
I know every thing you are doing to cover this up and everyone knows
it’s you pretending to be Lori, Wilbur Hawk, Fox, Eaglewingwomen, and
a number of other posters supporting you the great “Chief”, what a
laugh.
If indeed my little sister is suffering it is at your hands and lies.
I have never considered her half only my sister who you took away. I
know how she became in your soul custody and you are a coward and I
will never forgive you for taking her away from us.
As to you being my personal spokeperson I don’t need you. You know
what you did and your sitting here telling everyone falsehoods about
how I’m a liar and I have no proof. I have my memories and my family
members who where there with me. My mother, Tommy, Jose. You are a
sick sick man.
I do believe I am living my life, this just happens to be one of many
things in my life. I have not backed down from a fight for anything in
large part thanks to you!
Loving father, so a loving father beats his children, scares them to
death, threatens them, uses guns on their mother, if that’s what you
mean your opinion of a “Loving father” in seriously misconstrued.
I have no doubt this is you Robert posting as one of your many
supporters, I need help, you need help on many levels. Go take
another pill and mix it with some vodka maybe it will fix you.
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On Jun 18, 2:33 pm, fox <eaglewingwom…@hotmail.com> wrote:
Really? Robert really? Oh I mean Fox, wait Eaglewingwomen, Wilbur, oh
shit what is your name today?
I’m confused, so how long have you know your self? Is it since the
80′s or almost a deade now?
“As such I was assigned to work with Native inmates
and was assigned to the case of Bernard Red Cherries JR Neb/
D.O.C.#37720 in November of 1986 who was charged with initially
Assault with dangerous weapon 2nd degree felony, carries a penalty of
1yr to 20yrs in Nebraska. “
“I am a supporter of Bernard, and have known him for about 9yrs.”
Go ahead and vilify us. I wonder what did happen to the letters and
pictures we sent? Della says they were tore up and never given to her.
That’s all on you.
As far as I’m concerned you are my demon hell the devil himself. I’ve
been waiting to face you for so long. You are right, what you wrote
was sad. I do have patience and the willingness to listen, not to
bullshit though. I’ve heard the I’m a veteran suffering from PTS and
the boarding school was so horrible crap. Things like that are
horrible but that doesn’t give you the right to use it as an excuse
for your behavoir towards woman and children.
All I have to say it PRAY! Pray real hard for a small cell mate if you
know what I mean. You deserve everything you get!
ANATOMY OF A THREAT/ 10 THINGS FOR EAGLEWINGWOMAN TO CONSIDER.
Eaglewingwoman please understand me there is no, and will never be a pissing contest. Thank you for reading my blog rules.
1)If you are looking for someone to trust on the internet….good luck. There are a very few who state their agenda and have an open verifiable profile. Between you and I….you are the one who changes identity…I am not concerned about whether you trust me or not. Not even slightly I know who I am.
2) How is it different that you read alt.native and believe the paranoid delusions of some….mistaken women, journey to my blog, accuse me of being Monica Charles when any person could easily search to find out the truth. Elizabeth Tool is not a common name I believe there is only one other in the United States. And its in the White pages.
3) You have not acknowledged this or offered an apology…it is easy to do. I accidentally mistook two different FBI cheerleaders for being the same person. You can read it here. Like most people I do not like being wrong and apologizing…(btw my brother neglected to read the part where James Simon called me stupid for reading THE UNQUIET GRAVE.) I do not dismiss apologies and have never refused one. At this point you mean only a little more to me than those at alt.native and since you believed them about me being Monica Charles why don’t you believe that I am an FBI agent?…I think that came from Runningwolf…I might have to print a retraction on that…she also called me slimy. Which part do you believe? And why aren’t you contacting the gang of four at alt.native since you hold what they have to say in such high regard? The only reason that I am responding to you at this point is that you actually came onto my blog after reading THE RULES FOR POSTING ON MY BLOG. I do appreciate it.
4) What little I have read about Bernard Red Cherries he is less than thrilled with white people…so why would you be seeking out a white person to trust on his…. behalf? I do not believe that speaking the truth should require trust only propoganda requires trust.
5) I am not impressed that the supporters of Bernard Red Cherries seem to rely and respect the title of chief more than they do the man. First of all I am white and know nothing of chiefs the title means about as much to me as the queen of England…I do not mean any disrespect but I am white and what does a chief mean to me? I am thoroughly American and heve no respect or regard for titles of any sort. Titles do not make the man. We give our president a title and then he murders people…employs agencies to spy and repress the very people who are the foundation of this land. He takes our money and gives it to rich executives….
6) Why do supporters of Bernard Red Cherries disparage or dismiss his children and step children? Is this at his request? I do not know if they are following his lead but I find it apalling. From what I can see Martha Alvarez is relaying her account of her abusive childhood….she does not hide behind false names. She does not seem to be out for revenge or retaliation. Being a victim of abuse this is a huge part of the healing…you should have seen the ration of crap I unleashed on my own parents…My Dad was smart enough and sorry enough to keep his mouth shut. I am most fortunate that all of my abusers were not in denial. I believe that the biggest hurt in abuse is after the fact people deny that it happened….or people who tell you to get over it!
7) Why do male Indians get a pass on scrutiny….if you have followed my comments after the radio show all I heard were males supporting males…why is Bernard Red Cherries unconditionally supported while his step-daughter is thoroughly disparaged and accused of lying…they demand that she go to the white justice system to get proof. That is absurd it is hard to prove an abuse case two weeks after it happened much less a few years. These are the same supporters who introduced lies into the whole mess. It was not Eugene Johnson or Martha Alvarez that injected the sexual abuse allegations. I suspect that Bernard Red Cherries is harmed more by his supporters than his detractors.
Abuse allegations are a serious subject and it is one word against another…But during the Sal Serbin radio show I that matter was put to rest when Robert Van Pelt relayed that Bernard Red Cherries had met with his step-daughter and apologized for his previous actions. Let me tell you what it is like to go through abuse healing. An apology does not instantly make everything go away depending on the person it may take a lifetime. By that standard the United States government could make an apology for the sadistic boarding schools and the entire Indian populace would be magically healed! There would be no more problems with alcohol or drug abuse…We could do the same thing to the veterans of war who suffer years later….Sorry about that! Now you should be better and get on with life. But as we all know the demons continue to haunt…I wrote this comment on Eugene Johnson’s blog concerning the lack of men who are willing to come forward and do the right thing…concerning men who in a group disparage victims.
They are men. They are afraid. Remnants of the lives they lived as children keep bubbling up and they pounce and rage…beat their chests…flex their muscles…to feed the empty black pit..the never ending black pit that no matter how much you feed is always empty. Spent quite a bit of time there myself. When you are alone you can contemplate the hole, observe it…that is the start; when you join a group of ten or 20 100? other individuals with the same problem it gets out of control and the feeding frenzy begins on anything that threatens to expose the mass of rotting blackness for what it is.. the worship of this hole is the only form of satan I believe in. Yourself. Indians may have another word for it.
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I can assure you that I lived in the deepest black hole for many years…I also know how hard and how easy it is to make the first attempts at healing…unfortunately like most people I had to hit rock bottom first…I could have fallen much further but that was not my destiny. The black tar of anger and rage I had been holding for so long was just pain in disguise. One day I could hold it in no longer and I started crying and couldn’t stop literally for three day. I cry now remembering it.
Apologizing for abuse is a good first step but it does not repair the damage done. He took the responsibility of caring for step-children and that care should be unconditional…he should be supporting them now by not allowing his friends to disparage or belittle their pain.
The same goes for his ex-wives and girlfriends. He chose each and everyone of them and they should not be disparaged they are a reflection of him. By your standards Bernard Red Cherries is a great spiritual leader/chief but he has terrible taste in women? You should not show disrespect towards any of his children or the mothers of his children. For whatever reason these are the women who HE chose and for whatever reason they have helped him on his journey through life. Whether he recognizes it or not.
8) Most people are a combination of good and bad. My Dad was an excellent school teacher and people thought he was most wonderful….what goes on in a family is not necessarily reflected accurately in a public setting. My Dad did have many wonderful qualities and I would not be who I am without them. I need to do more posts about my relationship with my father. He was my idol and also the man who destroyed my self confidence.
Your judgments are based on one aspect of Bernard Red Cherries life. I have no doubt that he has done some very good things in life for some people. A good husband, lover, father that does not make him.
As I always say about myself depending on who you ask I am the SECOND COMING…or the ANTI-CHRIST!!! Bernard Red Cherries should not concern himself with popularity contests. God does not concern himself with such things either….they are man made.
9) I do not know if the DUI I have posted is Bernard Red Cherries we are discussing….my own father drank and drove every single day I was growing up. When he was in the Navy I believe the police had to bring him home a couple of times…I used to drink and drive probably until I was about 21 or 22 then I saw a program with somone who had accidently killed some teenagers….have not done it since. It is not worth the risk.
My Grandfather was the sort of alcoholic who would drink aftershave and rubbing alcohol if he had nothing else. He was very abusive towards my Grandmother but even after they divorced and she disparaged and raged about him every single hour for the rest of her life….he never ever ever criticized or disparaged her. I have much regard and admiration for my Grandfather. He was not able to control his demons. I do not know why. I truly hope that this is not the case with Bernard Red Cherries. I do not wish failure on any addict or abuser. I have only compassion and prayers that they are given the strength to overcome their demons and obstacles….I am not so compassionate towards those who blindly support abusers or addicts. Police that fail to press charges because of the person’s status or because they know the person.
10) Address these comments on my blog in a public manner following my blog rules and we can start a dialog if it is that important to you. All parties are welcome to post comments as long as they follow my blog rules.
THE ABUSE PAPERS
Check out this new blog. Someone who is way better organized than I am…I need to check it out more thoroughly when I get back from work!!
SISTER HELEN
I had to do some cleaning today the desk monster attacked again. Instead of listening to music I watched a movie on NETFLIX called SISTER HELEN. The documentary was so good that I did more watching than cleaning! Sister Helen was an alcoholic who became a nun after the death of her husband and two sons..she started a house for drug and alcohol addicts. She was a no bull shit type, used the word fuck a lot. She would not put up with any nonsense from the men if they were five minutes late of curfew she gave them HOLY hell!! Made them take urine tests all of the time and if they were postitive she would confront them and there would be a meeting on whether they could stay or not.
I found the first 6 minutes on Youtube. She says she tries to do for these men what she didn’t do for her own sons.
The world needs more Sister Helens…women who don’t coddle and support drug and alcohol abusers but who give them tough love. Confront them on the drug and alcohol induced lies no matter what. Women who hold men accountable for their actions….and of course the reverse.
MONICA CHARLES WRITES ABOUT ABUSE
I don’t think anyone has made a direct accusation of Red Cherries. It
bothers me that he used Portland AIM and Oklahoma AIM and the Oklahoma
Red Brotherhood to try to silence Eugene. I used this situation to
talk about a very real problem in our communities. DV and rape and
child abuse is too prevalent and accepted in our communities. It is
at the heart of what is wrong. It’s introduced behavior. It’s not
Traditional. It is the teaching of our People that women and children
are Sacred! Women represent Mother Earth. Children are our future.
When a man beats and rapes a woman he is actually beating and raping
Mother Earth. When a man beats and rapes a child he is actually
beating and raping our future. That is spiritual law! Why isn’t Red
Cherries talking about this? It would do much for People’s perceptions
of his innocence if he spoke out against child abuse and domestic
violence and rape. Did you know that men are sacred too? The Creator
gave them physical strength to protect and feed the people. During
those first dark days of reservations our men could no longer do
either. They couldn’t protect us. Weapons were taken away. Our men
couldn’t even hunt. The white man wanted us dependent on him for our
food. Our men watched us starve and could do nothing. They dove into
the bottle to hide and stayed there for generations. The white man
made sure we were down. He stole power and dignity from our men.
During those dark despicable days when we were first put on
reservations our men turned and stole power from our women and
children. They began beating and raping those in their care. It was
what the white man wanted. The moral fiber of our communities were
destroyed.What was the strongest thread in our communities today can
be our weakest. It’s our families. Children can no longer depend on
their fathers to protect them. Sometimes the father is the biggest
abuser. We need to change that. We need to stand up as a community and
say this atrocity stops here and now. It is the biggest atrocity in
our communities. Men seem to think they are above everyone in our
communities because they have a penis. They use that penis as a war
club to keep everyone down. When I was a student we went to a Sun
Dance at DQU in California. It was an AIM Sun Dance. It was announced
that the men would eat first, then the elders, then the children,
women would eat last. Indian women are low man on every totem pole.
When it came time to eat men crowded to the front. My friend Sally
McCloud and I started making fun of the men. We said if the pigs
attack we will put the men at the center of the camp because they are
our most precious resource. We would put the children around them.
Then we would put the Elders around them. Us women would be the first
line of defense. The elders didn’t correct or stop us. They laughed at
everything we were saying. Most of the men were local boys from the
reservations. They knew enough to be ashamed. They quickly got out of
line. We then fed the children and elders, then the men. We did eat
last. Not because we are lesser than anyone but because it is our duty
to see that everyone is fed. There is a difference. AIM, the Red Bros,
and Red Cherries are still trying to bully everyone into silence and
steal our power. That’s wrong and will no longer happen. Do we have to
go to war with our own men to bring balance back to our communities?
Red Cherries could bring great healing to our communities if he would
use this as an opportunity to talk about this issue. Let’s takj about
where things went wrong and how we can stop DV, rape, and child abuse.
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